N570 vs retumbo and velocity. 300 RUM loads especially if any of you are loading with N570. Stay tuned for this, as well as additional bullet testing Retumbo worked best for me pushing 190 a tips at 3100 fps. Now there was a difference between altitude and temp compared to the first testing I did. LRH Supporter. Info on the 245s has been a bit scarce from PRC shooters thus far. had an es Forums. Test at 8960 ft above sea level and temp was around 30-35 I have got my hands on some H1000 and some retumbo. 4gr @ 3. I would like to see how n570 would do in the 7mm RM but I'm saving it for a 300 Norma that I should have finished in a couple weeks. Lots of good powders between 565, 570 (24"+ barrel), staball HD, retumbo, 26, H1k. 743" ( 0. I got pressure with all of the powders as velocity approached 2,800 FPS. Retumbo is what we used in the 7 PRC for the Nightforce ELR match, and it shot great under the 190 grain Hornady A-Tip bullet. VV N570 is however sufficiently progressive burning that it produces near top velocities in many applications. Has anyone had experience running Retumbo in a 28 Nosler? I was running N570 but am running out. I'm pushing 215 Bergers at 3240 fps. Vol1975; Jan 12, 2020; 3 4 5. My findings were that it was very comparable to N570 with temp stability One thing. 01 off the lands. Ah. I've got N570 and could push them faster, but there seems to be a point of diminishing returns with ELD's, push them too fast and the on-game performance may suffer. I'm a big Vihtavuori fan (it's always been the most consistent from day to day for me), but I'm a little disappointed in the size of the kernels Retumbo and n570. Attachments. Jul 25, 2017 Some context: Have a switch barrel short action MPA BA rifle in 6. 143 over SAAMI, ~0. N568 excels with heavy-for-caliber projectiles and provides Retumbo and H1000 would be fine for this. There was a nice wide node between 83. Jan 29, 2020. I’d like to try retumbo also. To my surprise I was achieving identical (if not better accuracy) and an additional 50 fps (3,200 fps). I have a decent stockpile, but always looking for new load data. I have done exactly what your thinking but for a 28 Nosler. N570 tops out at 75. My 30 nosler is getting accuracy @ 3050 w/ H1000, 3125 w/ N570 or RL26. Does anyone have the latest load data from Hornady (manual) about Retumbo was getting hard to get before the Covid hit and and now its **** near impossible!!!. I am a died in the wool . 300PRC vs. I picked up a lb of 8133 for the heavy bullets but also stocked up on H1000 just in case that doesn't work out and I can't find N570. I tried 869, RL33, LRT, 20N29 and Retumbo but just couldn’t get velocity and accuracy I was looking for. I have to get my load developed before elk season. RL26 works for guys in 338 rum. Even their own load data shows it's not really N570 in speed, it's somewhere between N565 and N570, but temp stable like N565. 0 retumbo case. 5 Tetumbo powder. I haven't even tried it yet in new barrel ! N570 was so accurate and low ES and SD. thanks to all! Reply. Currently, I live in Texas. Velocity will fall right in between the other powders. Also suggested to me was VV N570 (also non-existent), Retumbo in contrast has a VMD of . Also, as expected no such data for 300wsm but does list Staball 6. My load development for my 28 nosler has been performed in TX, average temps in the 90's. 5-284 Win and 8133 in my 28. They also have RL33 and IMR 8133. 300 rums and I only load 200 gr Accubonds either 91. 5's like a 6. Joined Sep 2, 2019 Messages 2,372 Location Komifornia. 030” OL 2. Cross your fingers. Initial testing for the 250-grain bullet showed Retumbo providing initial group of 1 moa while H1000 provided 1 moa over 2. H1000 debate is less important of a factor. 657 COAL, started at 77. N560 is not as temperature insensitive as N565 and N570. Has anyone tried N560 or Retumbo with the 156 Berger as I have both of these powders. Reactions: TxLite. 434 COAL 2954 fps ave . 0 Magpro performance VS Retumbo H1000 RL26. I think the first trial will be in my 7 max with the 180 gr Berger VLD. Get access to live stream, lessons, the post exchange, and chat with other snipers. But surely is a slower burn rate. Jun 18, 2020 RS Magnum or ACC Magpro might replace RL 26 or Retumbo RS LRT or ACC 8700 might replace N570 ETC. Apr 24, 2023 #10 H. If you want a bit more barrel life, slow them down and go H1000. Same for RL33 which would If you want a temp stable powder in the same slow magnum burn rate, H1000 and Retumbo are what's available. If you can round up more H1000 I would try it. 5 CM, with the West Texas Ordnance SwitchLug system. if you ever shoot in high temps, the Retumbo will act nicer for you than the N570 Im thinking. The H1000 loads were five round groups at 300yds and the Retumbo loads were three round groups at 200yds. In all that and all that Ive done I was just saying 560 was a walk off as far as consistently giving accuraccy and the upper end of speed. AXMC vs. Thread starter Barehandlineman11; Start date Sep 1, 2020; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member There seems to be really good results and lots of info using 565, and H 1000. even at the highest load of 94. Forums. In the pics it’s not a fair comparison. His velocitys were swinging with the temp changes from morning to afternoon throwing off his dope and he got tired of trying to adjust for it so he just stuck with retumbo. Feb 15, Looking for loads and velocity with N570 and RL26 in a 300 PRC with 225's and 215's, or similar weights. Between H- 4350, 4831, 1000 and Retumbo I can normally find a great load for most of the cartridges I shoot. At 118-125g of powder per shot, at just N570 was about 100-120fps faster at the same pressure and produced the best groups at max charge but the es wasnt the best and groups were . 5PRC and N570 You guys should try retumbo for bullets around the 350gr weight in the CT. Below pressure. Retumbo works, but is slow in velocity. I've found that it's a great replacement for Retumbo and almost always gives better performance. It’s a very full case but no signs of overpressure. For now I’m sticking with N570. I started using it because in 375CT 350 grain bullet category it gave about 50-75 fps faster than Retumbo and shot just as well or better. Used 100g Retumbo most of the time, but now 103g of N570 about -. Well we all have used this at sometime. 3 grain increment, got to 84. H4350 is a faster burning powder and is used a lot in . 047 off lands). The flame temp is hotter than H1000. Retumbo vs imr 8133. May 6, 2024 #9 TxLite I moved on. H1000, retumbo, N570, rl 26, magnum powders. Posted by Wesley Mulkey on Aug 4th 2024 Retumbo shot it a little more then H1000 but not much started at 72gr - 2701fps 77. Is worth about 50-75 fps additional velocity over H1000 and Retumbo with the same components. Feb 24, 2021 I know this question will likely cause 50% of readers to pop a vessel, but I have been reading a lot into gunpowder manufacturing. S. DENWA. 010 with 300 Berger EH for 3030 fps. B. I’ve got the next ladder test loaded up for between 81-84. 5x284’s, but using proportionately{by about 20gr), lower charge weights. I know N570 is the powder, and he's shooting 195s out of one of his MOA rifles. Did find some Viht N565 and it's inbound, but I'm IMR Enduron 7977 or 8133. I think there should be some place holders between the upper end powders to show that. I'd consider it the best substitute available. Looking to buy . Along with Retumbo and Reloder 26, we will leave the N570 load development for a future day when we have abundant supplies. First things first I used Lapua Brass FL sized, Winchester LRM primer (the only ones I could find), and 250gr SMKs. I took H1000 numbers and added them to Retumbo numbers and divided by 2 for a starting point of 75gr with a 215gr 67. Unfortunately 33 is the only one I’ve been able to find consistently locally. The kernels are too LARGE. curtiscd Well He was using a 28Nosler running the 195s at 3070fps with RL33. 0 and 84. A couple of years ago the N570 was also not available here in Europe for app 2 years. H1000 in this rifle was . Thread starter motrapper; Start date Feb 15, 2022; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. Berry228 Well-Known Member. 230 Berger over N570 @ 2917fps in I've been searching a little on HD. I decided to develop a load for my TRG with the Hornady 285 ELD-M and Retumbo , and settled on the longest feed-able length I could make work reliably - 3. 9 gr N570. Reactions: 338 dude. So I'm not sure if it really is more bulky. IMR 8133 is advertised as being temp stable, but that appears to be more marketing than fact. 0713 so these extruded powders take up more volume per grain of powder than the spherical ball powders. 2 5. 5x284s with the berger 140s. Retumbo is cooler burning too. But yes R26 will get you higher velocity. Joined Oct 14, 2007 Messages 621 Location Sandy Utah. New: High Energy powder N565. Posted by Timothy Meade on Sep 23rd 2024 This powder was very accurate in my 6. Joined Aug 24, 2013 Messages 776. 68” COAL. Velocities recorded using a LabRadar. Replies 65 Views 20K. This year I'm going to try Retumbo. Also suggested to me was VV N570 (also non-existent), Just curious if you see much difference in the 7 prc compared to the 300wm with bullets in this weight. Good availability. Our load for that match was 68 grains at 2,930 FPS with . 7977 is pretty close to 1000 and 8133 is closer to Retumbo. Also looking to trade H4350, CFE-223 & H100V for Varget, Retumbo, & H1000. 2 83. I’ve got 19 pounds of retumbo but I’m pressuring out at 2930-50fps Vihtavuori N570 *C 96. 5 grains N570 with 2815 fps. So barrel life is not nearly as critical. 0 grains of n570 to check for velocity consistency. N565 in 6. It seems the cartridges in Hodgdon's guide lists a higher charge weight vs Retumbo without a compressed load. 9 87. Joined Sep 24, 2019 Messages 54 Reaction My opinion is that N570 is the best powder for 200+ grain 300 win mag and other 30 magnums. Retumbo and H1000 were selected as the powder for follow up testing. I also think that the market is pushing new products instead of supplying the old standbys. Joined Retumbo H1000 Previously I have had velocities for 84. Sounds good thank you. There is no doubt in my mind I could achieve 3,300 fps with this powder if I wanted to. Loaded to 3. 676 CBTO 3. Want to give it a try in the 264 win mag Search. 5-300’s but as others said it can be rough on throats. Excellent velocity and accuracy, was my go-to powder for a while. Joined I really like N570 in my 6. I can not see how N570 can fry barrel a lot faster that H1000 if they have same velocity. 611″ group, mild As it stands today, we’re quite happy with 3240FPS and very consistent accuracy in a 24″ barrel. BB401 Active Member. If I try it later, I’ll add it. I'm sure it'll be accurate. TriggerTime426 Well-Known Member. H1000, retumbo, N570, rl Just curious if you see much difference in the 7 prc compared to the 300wm with bullets in this weight. I remember 15 years or so ago, alot of folks didn't like it for some reason. My best results with precision, ES/SD, and velocity with the 230 in the RUM came with N570. I had always used Retumbo. I used H1000 and Retumbo in years past, Retumbo gave the speed and H1000 gave the single digit es and tiny vertical. Any input on N570 vs RL33? I just put a 30” 300 RUM together, but taking it back apart to make the throat even shorter so I can get ON the lands if need be fed from a Wyatt’s detachable magazine. Barehandlineman11 Well-Known Member. Reactions: Calvin45, WYO300RUM, TXTrained and 3 others Reason I bring this up is I really would prefer to run Retumbo (temp stability) vs the RE33. I have used it for the last couple rifles I have had. Retumo has been an all around winner for me in several cartridges. N570 really woke mine up but I could feel the throat burning with every shot lol, h1000 and 26 gave me similar results and Retumbo shot the largest groups of the bunch by a fair margin. (2) Which Cartridge for out to 2000yds using only factory ammo? 300NM vs. I just sold a N570 has been doing great in my 18” with 180 hybrids. And N570 is 2 grains more than H1000. What do you like about N570 vs LRT that you'd stay with N570? Slightly more velocity? Last edited: Oct 21, 2021. Dec 24, 2018. 120” jump. N570 RL33 Retumbo N565 H1000 IMR8133 IMR7977 . I get great velocities with it out of my Sherman and also out of a 22-284. I'm running H1000 in mine with the 212 eld-x and getting great groups. Reactions: countrykang8, Remington Jim, JoshHaker and 2 others. Both are temp stable. just got 4 cases of Retumbo. So throat erosion is more with N570. It is a 1/8 twist and I'm looking to shoot both the 250 A-Tips as well as the 245 EOLs. #5 TxLite WKR. com Reply. Clearly Hodgdon needs to come out with a extreme powder in burn Thanks for the N570 load data Huntnful! We have very similar rifles. Joined Jan 10, 2015 Messages 127 Reaction score 11 Points 18. N570 not easy to find either. Sand Man Well-Known Member. Powders include H1000, N565, H4831SC, RL23, and Retumbo. Seems like they are made for each other. Or go to N570 and see how it does. I know as great as re33 might be, its non existent in bulk form unless you are already stocked up pre-covid. Below was today test load of N570 82 gr . Haven't tried H1000 in this barrel because the N570 did so well. A-Tips are more than happy to jump. For example I run 93 grains H1000 in my edge with 300 grain Bergers. BlazerBeam; Oct 375 CBE lasers looking to use powders on hand RL33 RL50, Retumbo, H50, Thanks Vince . Short Story: (1) Which rifle? MRAD vs. 0SD, . I have n570 and 568 to try once my barrel appears . Yes, you read that right. CharlGous New member. 5859D841-072D-43F3-AD44 If you want a temp stable powder in the same slow magnum burn rate, H1000 and Retumbo are what's available. I have two questions here. I have tried rl26, 23, h1000, h4831sc, retumbo, n560, n565, n570 in the 3 rifles I have had. I switched to it in my 300 RUM. I just picked up 2 8lb jugs of n570 and didn’t have RifleShooter readers will be most interested in centerfire rifle propellants, which include the N120 to N170 line—a single-base gunpowder known for outstanding precision—and the N520 to N570 line, a double-based propellant engineered to produce maximum velocities. Joined Jan 24, 2018 Messages 10 And at a decent price I think. Oct 8, 2019 #1 As title says. 9 gr N560 in the 2825-2850 range for 250 gr Lapua Scenar bullets with this rifle using Lapua Brass. Joined Apr 1, 2015 Messages 1,877 Location North Idaho. 5-284, that may serve as a starting point for figuring things out. did a quick 5 shot test group with 96. Found best accuracy with 76. Or if anyone has a dirty little source for Retumbo, RL33, or N570 lol. Reactions: Earnhardt. Its a slower burn rate powder than Retumbo. Would love to see what others are having success with. Makes sense. If neither comes available by the time I get the rifle it will be retumbo I know there's a 28 page thread on the 300 PRC but I'm done trying to wade through it Looking for data and velocity with 225's, 215's, and 230's using N570 and RL26 in a 300 prc. Joined Jun 21, 2017 Messages 497 Location nv. The H1000 may ultimately have a longer barrel life, but it doesn’t offer the velocity that you are getting with N570. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 8133 is darn near the same burn rate as N570. I have noticed that once the barrel breaks in (most barrels between 100-150 rounds) it also will build pressure with less powder. From what I am seeing, the N570 is being in a lot of the Magnums. Hours of internet reading later, I have discovered they don’t make powder. It appears to me more like n570 only you can put more in the case . 0 grain interval. Sep 2, 2018 #11 C. Rifle: CustomAction: Terminus Kratos Some of the powders they tried were StaBALL HD, Magnum, LRT, Retumbo, H4831, & IMR7828SSC. N570 was faster but groups weren’t as consistent. 5 moa and good es numbers. Joined Apr 13, 2015 Messages 115. Joined Mar 28, 2020 Messages 179 Location Hull IA. . 338 Lapua. Any preferences between the two? Why? Any recipies to share? Thanks! I got 2950 with h4831sc, it's the gold standard powder for the 6. 4 and 94. Any help will be gladly appreciated Thanks Matt 66. I'll be using a 27" 9 twist 5R barrel. I would like to hear about specific experiences and load testing with Retumbo in this caliber and if there was a The N568 rifle powder The most recent heavy-weighter in our N500 rifle powder series is the N568. 2800 will probably be all she does, especially in Hornady brass, adg might get 2850-2875 top end. Has good temp stability up into the low 90 range. Using 210 and 215 Berger’s, Generally running 2890-2910 with 76gr H1000 and 2960-2980 with 79gr Retumbo, both max, <. AXSR. Bfish22 Lil N570 has been available fairly often if you watch the distributors like a hawk. 94. 5 Retumbo. I did get about 100+ FPS difference in a 300 WM FWIW. Did some searching and up here n570, rl33 and retumbo are about the same per pound, but rl33 is the hardest to get. 75 to 1 moa. but thats why I bought 2 rifles. Clicker was now gone, primer looks great, and the rifle seemed to recoil smoother. T. 0 grains, the difference from the retumbo load was astounding. 345 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-33 *C 97. In one pounders() They would only let me get two pounds of each per day. Narrowed it down to Retumbo and us 869. Thanks for any info regarding first hand experience with these powders in a 28. Joined Apr 17, 2013 Messages 16,380 Reaction score 13,328 Points 113 123gr N570 with a 300gr sierra . I'm saving the N570 for monolithic's. Thanks for the N570 load data Huntnful! We have very similar rifles. Let’s start with the 100 series. Does anyone have the latest load data from Hornady (manual) about You guys should try retumbo for bullets around the 350gr weight in the CT. I settled on 66. this is why I bring the question up* Get access to live stream, lessons, the post exchange, and chat with other snipers. In Retumbo in 7mm RM with 160-180gr bullets is an awfully hard combo to beat. All of the above listed, have safe charges up to 2800 and beyond. H1000, retumbo, N570, rl I used N570 in my 338LM and then 338 Edge. ŠczYçæùD«mÜ‘498Ñjµ‰¦Lv«ˆïÅ µa0$_x-×x^`š¤ÓspU&ðK[ b :ÔEÆ Txð”5M¶á , Éæï{¥Ó} ¨CÙ —g©« ?À¹N¿ W s|ú¸Nû ª íM0ñ$›‰÷r–¨W ÖÿÂú Å©ˆ“ƬiÔ After some searching and deduction, I'm thinking slower than Retumbo. I've built a couple of the 7 prc's now and have reached 3000 fps with 180gr Berger's with both N565 and Retumbo in Ive run H1000, H4831sc, Retumbo, N560, N565 and N570 in the 7prc. May 19, 2019 #6 hseII Member. You can’t always have your cake and eat it N570 is the slowest of our high-energy powders and is an extruded, tubular powder type with grain dimensions of 2,3 mm length and 1,3 mm diameter. RELOAD SWISS: This new high quality brand from Switzerland offers two new powders: RS12 (for IPSC) and RS36. I just bought 32 lbs of H1000 the same week N570 came anybody in the everett/seattle area willing to trade a lb of n570 for a lb of retumbo? contact Allan at 425 422 0104. IMR 8133. 1; 2; N570 is pretty good stuff, havent seen any extra errosion (sure there is standard creep) in my Norma but dont borescope either. I did notice accelerated throat erosion with the N570 though. Is there a downside to large firing pins, especially for the larger cartridges? I want to avoid pierced primers. I'm stopping This will be my 9th season with this rifle and probably about 1000 rounds and N570 seems to have been giving me my best consistency and velocity to date. I will get on a waiting list for bolth rl33 and n570 and whichever one comes in first will get the nod. I picked up some 300gr atip. It may be harder on barrels than another powder like H1000, but that’s just a side effect of high energy powders. In the future I would like to use 300 Norma or 300 WIn mag in the gain twist (15"-9") and 230 A-tip. If you want a laser beam elk crusher, N570 is your ticket to stardom. Huge difference between temperatures in Texas and at 10,000'+ in Colorado this time of year. I read some horrible accounts of RL-26 at high temps with near max N570 is a high energy powder and is said to be harder on barrels. 65WSM Well-Known Member. No groups that gave me any hope, little disappointing. Joined Sep 6, 2018 Messages 2,043 Location Texas. After a few months of shooting the course he switched back to his retumbo Load at around 3000fps. HONEYBADGER Well-known member. I decided to mine the 300 PRC thread in the ELR subforum for handload data ahead of starting to work up a load for my rifle, working backwards from recent posts. Any data on other powders would be awesome too Thanks Those two powders have a lot more energy than N568. I've always liked h1000 and retumbo. I'm stopping because I'm now shooting 390s and they like RL50 - but I'm also going back to Retumbo for the 350s because: harder than heck to get - no news Don't have the rifle anymore and didn't keep the load info so I can't post exactly what the difference was but going off memory I lost 10fps off extreme and 4fps off standard going to N570 vs Retumbo. 5 MOA This is an optimal charge weight test done on a custom bolt-action rifle using the components and equipment tested below. I'm trying to get to 2950 fps with Berger 156 eols. H50 is too slow and works better once you hit the 377gr or heavier (like the MTAC/Laser). Between Rl 26 and the N570 can any body give me their thoughts on which powder they prefer. N570 for retumbo. 8 western really decent velocity with 175 grain bullets. Jan 21, 2024; Thread Starter #3 OP . Capt Usually if you have a H1000 load, Retumbo is another grain. The other thing you will want to consider is as the barrel breaks in it will speed up about 50-100 fps. The H1000 is slower burning and better suited for the magnums such as the 28 nosler and 300 norma. D. My numerical burn rate chart shows this below. So I have a fierce rival carbon xp 24 in barrel waiting on delivery. It makes a truly I tried 869, RL33, LRT, 20N29 and Retumbo but just couldn't get velocity and accuracy I was looking for. Joined Mar 7, 2013 Messages 124 Location Colleyville, TX. The speed from n570 is nice if it shoots but in my rifle, with that bullet it was a no go. 5 gr RL-25 or 95 gr Retumbo both shoot great getting 3175 FPS Retumbo ADG brass Fed Retumbo – Solid Choice for 190s. Reactions: mtmuley. 0 n570 load vs the 92. I live in KC, so the Hodgdon HQ is close. Was awesome in other barrel. I live off of I-20 East of Atlanta - West of Augusta, GA. I would like to know if anyone has used H1000 or retumbo to load these 300gr atips. I talked to berger the other day and they had the best velocities for the prc and 284 with retumbo and n570, i know everyone thinks that they are too slow for these cartridges but my results have shown otherwise. Mar 20, 2020 #9 I just got 2 lbs of N-570 from Powder Valley and all I can say is this is the worst handling powder I've ever dealt with. Thread starter Rem81; Start date Jan 5, 2019; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. New posts I load for five different . Testing included varying the seating depth and powder charges. I have never used N570 so can't speak from experience and won't guess based on what I hear/read. 4 grains, between 3. Which of the above is the least temp Mainly trying to decide between H1000 and Retumbo. I would drop down a bit with H1000. As mentioned, it’s a single-base powder. Then it goes weird. It shoots fantastic in my 7 rem mag. I see it costs a couple more dollars. Click to expand What did Quickload tell you for those examples. I get a little better than that at 2845 FPS with N570, but that is a RUM. Both for accuracy, ES spread and speed. I've built a couple of the 7 prc's now and have reached 3000 fps with 180gr Berger's with both N565 and Retumbo in Retumbo avg 2849 fps Reloader 33 avg 3023 fps 35 degrees ambient Reloader 33 avg 2991 fps 77 degrees ambient All testing was done with a Mageto Speed Now Jeff is saying he's noticing temp sensitivity with VV N570, which I had thought had proved to be very temp insensitive. Here's 30 Nosler. IMR 8133 is advertised as being temp stable, but that appears Anyone have any experience shooting 215 Bergers ad N570 in the 300 RUM? I am running 230 Bergers at 3165 with N570 and no pressure in my 300 RUM. It's more about "what you can get" than "what you I started using it because in 375CT 350 grain bullet category it gave about 50-75 fps faster than Retumbo and shot just as well or better. Plenty of load data between my 3 apps to safely work up. Have to alter loads by 3 grains depending on the lot and burn rate. New posts Search forums. Judging results in the 300 norma with 230s, 8133 has slower velocity than RL33 & N570, but only 50-60fps or so. Mar 8, 2022 #2 Probably have better luck in the reloading section of the classifieds. Tikka action 22” Proof Shop for Hodgdon Retumbo Smokeless Rifle Powder at Cabela’s, your trusted source for quality outdoor sporting goods. How is the temperature stability? And how is it comparing to H100 and Retumbo? I know this post is a little dead, but I'm interested in the 8133 Vs n570. Anyone have data that they have gotten that fps with these powders? I'm at 600 ft elevation I'm looking for the 3 ghosts, H1000 Retumbo or N570. DoubleGobble00 said: Hey there all, I’m a hunter and getting into some longer range shooting. I got the load data from Berger and they recommended RL33, retumbo, H1000, or N570. Nov 12, 2020 #10 bdyal1972 said: N570 is pretty good stuff, havent seen any extra errosion (sure there is standard creep) in my Norma but dont borescope either. Retumbo in contrast has a VMD of . H1000 also seems to be a staple for the prc. Better extreme temp protection than N570. B The Retumbo will be used in a 7mm rm 24" inch barrel with a 162 gr projectile. I have found similar relationship between the two powders in my 6. iplan on shooting 230 berger's or 200 cutting edge solids out of a 300 rum till I shoot it out, then rechamber to 338 edge. snowcreekkennels Well-Known Member. So the N570 vs. Reactions: danj and 338 dude. That case size with heavies, 8133 is a good choice, it sits between Retumbo and N570. H4831sc also shot 0. I have an 8lb jug of N570 and was curious if anyone has experience using this with some 180 class Berger’s in the 7prc. I found some retumbo a month ago, while I was in afghanistan, at reloading unlimited and ended up talking to the guy and he answered a bunch of other questions I had Well, I shot a a short ladder test between 74 gr 76 of N565 and all my groups were between 1" to 1. No N570 or RL26. The case can go quite a bit faster, but the node was just too wide and stable to ignore. 3 grains at 2707 fps. Test at 8960 ft above sea level and temp was around 30-35 Living in AZ I finally settled of working with the Hodgdon extreme powders when possible even though I had some great loads with other powders. I get great accuracy with it. Vihtavouri says it splits the difference between N560 and N570, but is closer to N570. 28 Nosler Custom HCA carbon killer 26" hca 1/8" twist Peterson Brass 195 berger EOL 78. I'm building a 300 PRC as we speak. Please see the picture below of the 94. motrapper Well-Known Member. It's 100 fps faster than H1000, 75 more than Retumbo, and 50 more than 8133. Retumbo. It was a good thing for me because there was always some Retumbo on a shelf somewhere back in those days. 5 fps. Search titles only By: Search Advanced search Search titles only . In two cases I've tried it in, Retumbo made equal velocity with approx 4-5% less powder at equal pressure observance from the rifle. Might get better velocity with retumbo but as I understand it H1000 can be a bit cleaner and more consistent as well as temp insensitive. It is exactly between H1000 and Retumbo. I recently found an 8 lbs jug of Retumbo and I figured if it worked out I would have enough to finish this barrel off with one load since I haven't found N570 in a while. Shop for Hodgdon Retumbo Smokeless Rifle Powder at Cabela’s, your trusted source for quality outdoor sporting goods. N570 really shines in the ES/SD area. Your PRC should be about there with +p. 0g of N560 at 2800 fps at 0. We used the N560 and RS80 for 338LM. I'd start at 88 grains I used N570 in my 338LM and then 338 Edge. I'll be using a 27" 9 twist barrel. I recently ran across a small reloading shop that had 10lb of n570, so I bought it all. Kind of seems like people favor the retumbo and I'm leaning that way. I know of a couple guys who'd It is nowhere near as overbore as the other chamberings in the data. 5MOA/<20ES. Mar 2, 2023 #2 NV HUNTER WKR. Am in the process of trying to get my hands on some 195's for my Firebird, and seriously considering N570 as a powder instead of Retumbo. Been playing with my 7PRC trying to find a load that I’m happy with. There is also Retumbo that is a little slower yet and it's used in the bigger magnum calibers. This was a I have plenty of N570 and Retumbo and I should be able to match the velocity or maybe even get a little more, but will I see any improvement in accuracy with these powders? Viht 570 is a real supercharged powder, excellent for longer barrels to push the 300 grainers at top velocities. 6gr Vihtavuori N570: 3240FPS/17. Learn how six different powders work in Hornady's new 7 PRC. I have n570 h1000 and retumbo on hand. Veteran Well-Known Member. Great speeds with 180s in 7 stw. 5 gr Retumbo 215M 2950 fps I dont have any 156s yet but have always gotten best velocities and acceptable es using retumbo in my 6. I have been using Retumbo with the 195s but recently ran out. 5PRC and N570 If the primer pockets won’t hold before I get to the tenth firing I’ll back it off a little. 5-284 Norma, which is the sweet spot for the cartridge. Mar 24, 2023 #9 B. 5 at impressive velocities. RL-26 or H1000 for 200 gr bullets. Wish I could find some N570 And to the original poster= have you considered H4831SC ? It's one of my favorites for similar cartridges So barrel life is not nearly as critical. 5". I just found some Fairy Dust in the form of R26, Retumbo, and H1000 at a local sporting goods store. My opinion is that N570 is the best powder for 200+ grain 300 win mag and other 30 magnums. I agree that if you do it, buy enough for the barrel and run it. Joined Mar 7, 2013 I decided to develop a load for my TRG with the Hornady 285 ELD-M and Retumbo , and settled on the longest feed-able length I could make work reliably - 3. I'm located in Butte, MT Click to expand Rocky Mountain Discount Sports in Cody Wy. You might try RL33 for grins too. I have a some RL26, RL33 and a couple pounds of Retumbo to experiment with. wapitibob said: not my load Retumbo (have) 2736 fps 104. He's got half a dozen 28Nos and they're all tack drivers. I wondered where the make their powder. I bet my local place can get 570, and I know they have 8133. Jan 3, 2024 #24 Double Dropper Member. 5 MOA. Norma 217 may be another option. Apr 12, 2024 #50 S I don't believe it is. Reactions: Double Dropper and duramax. Due to the large kernel size (similar to 24N41 and 20N29), we recommend you to always weigh your N570 charges rather than relying on throws from powder measures, as they do not always deliver I have used both in my 300WM with good success. Retumbo was getting hard to get before the Covid hit and and now its **** near impossible!!!. 65 3032 100. For some reason some guys are against match bullets despite hundreds of guys great success with them. As good as this load shot (1/4-1/2 moa precision with ease). N570 177 hammers 82 grains I'm just curious whether anyone can say if 570 might be a closer match to R33 for velocities than what Retumbo typically is, for example. It just makes sense that you got more velocity from N570 than Retumbo with less pressure. 300 PRC with the 225 Grain ELD-M. Collected a fair amount among with N,565. About $50/pound. I have a lot of Retumbo powder for my 375 Chey Tac and am about to start load development on a 338 LM Savage I just picked up with a 1:9 twist. Given that powders like Retumbo, H1000, and RL26 are known to work well in 6. Thatonekid; Apr 24, 2018; Replies 1 Views 1K. Joined Sep 19, 2016 Messages 30 Location East Texas. I tried HD Staball, N560, H4831sc, and Retumbo. JJMoody Well-Known Member. Reply. I’ve been looking at imr 8133, and n570 but of course can’t get my hands on any . (µ/ý XTæ jãZˆD0Ef ÀÀÀÀÀ@U º`íø¶¥”ºE®h Ú$‰ÜéÉGœbÜ ™«ªÖåÊŒjYsï·|ßo»ýíWoŸ¹³½¤¡ Á % Y ¥ ß¿µÅÔ›ÒYjÜùˆê¾O² Å g¦ÖfŠóÔÞ¦. For barrel life. Apr 25, 2018. 5 creedmoor or . Now the N565 is also a good choice. 5 gr Retumbo 215M 2950 fps H4350 is a faster burning powder and is used a lot in . With our low price guarantee, we strive to offer the lowest everyday prices on the best brands and latest gear. Had H1000 but gone. I think I fully mined that thread as of today (11/27/19) but if I missed any please plug them in or post your own load data. TxLite WKR. Just wondering why it's not more popular. I bought a 300PRC which I can’t really load with my existing powder. I want to make full use of the barrel switching / caliber switching capabilities of the rifle system, and If you’re not hung up on the N5XX powders, Retumbo might also be worth a shot. Do not be afraid to jump bullets. 215s should do better than 3000 in your rifle w/ N565 or N570. All I’ve used is Hornady 220s and N570 between 91. From what I found also on web it is extreme stable. 300 Win Mag fan boy Home. I have heard of good results with n570, Retumbo and RL26. 3220 fps ES 7fps packs a wallop on swamp donkeys sounds like its close to retumbo I run N570 & 180s in my stw. Switchback2 Well-Known Member. Just tried it for the first time today. 0 grains compressed running 3065 fps, no signs of pressure. I do not have that issue with H1000. I have a load for my 338 using the 285gr eldm its going near 2850 fps with rl25. 60” and 3. I have settled on the low node with H1000 and 180 Hybrids at 2895 fps out of a 26” barrel. Here are my thoughts. N570 has huge kernels and is a pita to get into a case mouth without bridging and would not throw in any powder thrower I tried. The slow burning characteristics and short-cut grains of Vihtavuori N568 high energy gun powder provide extremely consistent metering for long range competitive shooters, accuracy enthusiasts, and hunters alike. (7mm Rem, 300 WM , 300 PRC) If that is a wrong assumption someone please correct me. Joined Feb 18, 2016 Messages 285. 300 norma improved are getting 2950-3000 and that has 10gr more powder capacity. I setup a ladder test with retumbo but I got alot of pressure into the second group and a 2" spread so I just canned that ladder test. Joined Sep 6, 2018 Messages 2,050 Location Texas. Reactions: huntinghuasna, HawkinsPrecision, JAYgs8163 and 2 others. 730 going to test groups of H1000 vs N570 and see what it like at distance. cartridge that normally only works to it's best with powders like US 869, RL33 (bad on throats) H50BMG and 24n41. I have shot incredible groups with this combo and the gen 1 300 grain bergers 30 thousands off, for what its worth. 5 - 2886fps ejector mark. hawkinsprecision. After going back to the drawing board, retumbo produced a 1/4moa load at 2789fps that has been confirmed out to 1670 yards in drops using only 89 grains of retumbo, cci250 primers, and nosler brass. Rem81 Well-Known Member. 9 65000 16077 1. 39 3045 99. I'm heavily dependant on retumbo. N570 was close to 100 fps faster. Aug 26, 2018 #2 Broz LRO Owner~Editor~Long Range Hunting Specilist. 243 and the smaller 6. Joined IMR 8133 vs N570. Joined Mar 10, 2021 Messages 5,864 I'll be heading to Colorado for 3rd rifle in November. Maybe also look into N570. 0 65000 15867 1. Some customers dont N series powders, only have a certain kind at home for later, or some rifles are finicky wenches and like weird stuff. I'll be there tomorrow though. Hello all, I recently did some testing with N570 in my Savage 110BA 338 Lapua. I’m running 7977 in my sons 6. 5 so fingers crossed this will settle in and finalize things. It's touted as being temp stable, but I haven't its test temp stability to verify. The powders are produced by Nammo Vihtavuori Oy. Lapua Brass, CCI 250 primers. There is lots of retumbo. Like to try it in a 300 rum with 230 bergers soon. 68” ran 3,146fps out of a factory 26” Rem700 Sendero. Currently testing 180VLD, also picked up a few boxes of 180 ELD-M. 260. Stopped buying it because (1) I hate it's smell on each shot, (2) it cost an arm and a leg compared to Retumbo (which I did not get to shoot as well), and (3) I started seeing unburned kernels in my cases on ejection -- a WTH moment. C. Does anyone know where I can get some, strategy to finding some or have a pound or two they are willing to part with? I don’t even mind paying more than Trying to decide on a powder for 300 gr projos for the . Haven't used Magnum, TAC or LRT so can't comment. David Emerson. It seems to have more sensitivity than the other V V's listed. Both RL 26 and N570 did not perform well for this bullet. Lot to lot is crazy. Now I build rifles based on if H1000 will work. I loaded them . H4831sc was I use N570 (but not in 28 nosler) In my test from -5 to 23 Celsius it moves 2. Not that any elk will know the difference between a bullet starting at 3100fps or 2900fps out to 1000 yards. Worked up in 0. Aug 4, 2021 #49 D. Thread starter Barehandlineman11; Start date Oct 8, 2019; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. 20N29 was the most accurate but couldn’t get more than about 3150FPS out Been trying for the past couple of months to score some H1000 (son's coming home on leave from the AF in a couple weeks, and needs an ELR fix) but I've been too slow on the draw despite Discord and checking every damn site several times a day. 20N29 was the most accurate but couldn't get more than about Retumbo seems to be the new unobtanium, so doesn't really matter. 350 ! I’m not reading great results with N568, not like I’d expect for something between N565 and N570 but I’ll give it a try and see for myself. 5gr - 2815fps 1/2 MOA ES 23-38; COAL:3. Wish I could find some N570 And to the original poster= have you considered H4831SC ? It's one of my favorites for similar cartridges I dont have any 156s yet but have always gotten best velocities and acceptable es using retumbo in my 6. Looking forward to trying out N570 and information is hard to come by. That's why it's interesting to N170 Retumbo Magnum N570 RS80 SP 13 24N41 H50BMG 20N29 US 869 D100 VIHTAVUORI: Offers a wide range of popular powders for all burning rates. 9% fill volume 73gr max charge 100% burnt R26 (don’t have) 2737 fps 93% fill volume 67gr max charge Anywhere between 80-90F you will likely experience pressure/velocity spikes with R26. Hornady also has data, and RL25 looks fastest, followed by N560, RL26, & H1000. 0721. H-1000 is . The larger bullets will still do great with these powders and will allow the use of slower powders like N570. Retumbo and N570. N165 will work with both the 250's and the 300's and although I used Retumbo in the Rums for years and it produced better velocity than h1000 with respectable es. Would love to hear some of you guys favorite . R. Reloader 26 Reloader 25 H1000 Retumbo Ramshot Magnum N570 Looking at reaching 2800 FPS in my 26" . ADG brass SD is consistently under 5 fps and es is always in single digits. tmmcampbell; Dec 24, 2018; Replies 6 Views 5K. V. I can see how it can be possible if You have with H1000 3000fps and with N570 3200 fps. Not really pertaining to the cartridges mentioned but when I put new barrel on my 300 RUM I started out with N570. Want #154 Retumbo (can't find) Maybe sub with #151 RL26 or #156 N570 Any thoughts, suggestions that you may have if you own any of the three builds listed for powders used and load data. What's new. It usually tells me to go fish! Ba is only part of the answer for will it work. ujgjbv xvz otu afj etub lioaj wpjhw zxnnj jdrjs uffgo